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The 2.4L dilemma: please school me on the engine problems

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#1 ·
I am inheriting a 2015 Sonata with only 27k miles, from a relative. The car has been maintained by the dealer according to the book and otherwise it is in near-new condition.

I am concerned about the 2.4L long-term life and durability. I travel a lot and the thought of having an engine collapse 500 miles from home on a road-trip is a bit scary.

So, I’m trying to decide whether to keep the car or trade on a Toyota or Honda.

If I keep the car then I’ll change oil more frequently than the factory recommendation (about every 3500 miles) and I’ll use a Wix/NAPA oil filter, which is top-quality.

I’ll also learn all I can to further maintain and care for the car.

This is what I think I understand so far about the 2.4L reliability problems.
Please feel free to correct any errors here or add anything you think I should know:

1) Most of the problems were with the 2011 – 2014 model years. This was during the Alabama factory startup, and is the result of engine cranks not being properly deburred after machining.

2) Model years 2011 – 2014 are covered under the factory recall.

3) Later years do not suffer from this specific problem, as Hyundai corrected the machining problems with the engine internals as they got the Alabama plant up and running.

4) Later year 2.4L engines are still not the most durable engines on the planet, and need close careful care to survive, especially keeping the oil changed and the oil level up to correct levels.

5) These cars are designed so that engine removal and replacement is quick and easy, as compared to many cars on the market today.

6) There are not currently enough replacement engines available to meet the demand, and dealers have customer-owned cars sitting on the lot waiting for a new engine under warranty.

Question:
What is the warranty on the engine for a 2015 model?


Thank you to anyone who can help educate me here.
 
#2 · (Edited)
By the way...
I've had off-the-shelf original (plastic) oil containers leak, creating a huge mess in my trunk.

Years ago I began using bottles made for camp stove fuel to carry a supply of oil in the car.
These bottle are made of aluminum with a screw-on top.
These bottles are made to carry camp stove fuel in backpacks, etc. and they will not leak, ever.
You can buy them in 1/2-Liter and 1-Liter size at REI or other outdoor retailers.

MSR is one popular brand.
 
#3 ·
Most of your questions can be answered by googgling "Hyundai Engine Settlement." However, here is a short synopsis:

Hyundai claims an engine manufacturing defect caused 2011-2014 Sonata engines to fail prematurely. Often, this failure was preceded by a knocking sound followed by the engine seizing, often around 70,000 miles.

In a class action lawsuit Hyundai agreed to replace failed engines in 2011-2019 Sonatas that exhibit a specific trouble code provided that the owner had a knock sensing software update. You do not qualify for the engine replacement without this free update provided by Hyundai dealerships.

A Korean whistleblower charged that it is not an engine assembly problem, but a design defect that causes the engine failures, specifically inadequate rod bearings. The engine failure problems also affect some Kia models.

My local Hyundai dealership has its back lot filled with Sonatas waiting for new engines -- most 2011-2014 but later models, also. Generally, I'm told, the wait for a replacement engine is about four weeks.

The engine warranty for this specific defect if "lifetime," though would ask your dealership what Hyundai's definition of that word is.

I, like you, do a lot of driving in remote areas with no cellphone coverage. I worried about losing the engine in some remote place. Ultimately, I decided to trade my 2011 Sonata for a 2019 and then trade that car for another brand.

You can probably do well with your car as a trade in, but on the other end of the deal you will be looking at inflated prices and low inventories. Hard to say what to do. If you do trade I imagine you probably will have to go to a car with more mileage or smaller in size. You will miss the Sonata's quietness and comfort.

For what it's worth I have a theory on the engine failures. Looking at the reports, the engines run well with no oil consumption until around 70,000 miles when they begin to lose massive amounts of oil and then will seize if not noticed.

My 2011 Sonata had a perfect engine until 75,000 when I noticed it was losing oil. I replaced the PCV valve and the oil usage stopped. My theory is that a clogged PCV causes the engine to rapidly lose oil that is unnoticed by the owner until catastrophic wear and eventual failure occurs.

I believe the internal high pressures of the GDI engine cause more rapid than average oil loss with a clogged PCV. Change it at 50,000 miles. Takes five minutes and 10 bucks.

My old Hyundai service tech, who I trust, said the blown engines he sees are from cars with poor service records. He doesn't believe Hyundai's recommendation of going 7,500 miles between oil changes. Oil breaks down and gets contaminated way before that.

It sounds like you maintain your car exceptionally well. For me, I would take a chance of it going 100,000 miles while saving my nickels and dimes for a new car down the road. With the lifetime warranty you won't have a terrible financial hit if the engine goes. As long as you in civilization when you lose it.

Hope this helps your thinking.
 
#5 ·
Another thought that I've not seen followed through on. Next oil change save back a little used oil and send it out for analysis. If the report shows no unusual metal in the oil, I think you can keep the car with confidence. If the report comes back with excessive rod bearing material, then ....
 
#6 · (Edited)
@Cessna170B,

That is worth doing. Very good thinking!

I appreciate your consideration.


I've recently learned that NAPA oil filters are no longer made for them by Wix.
To get Wix you must buy them elsewhere by the Wix name.
They are available at Amazon or Oriellys stores.

I once saw a display of 6 -7 common brand automotive oil filters, cut open to reveal the internal materials and construction. The Wix brand stood out as easily the best among them.

Some others were so obviously cheaply made they were scary... Fram, for one.
 
#8 ·
I have a 2012 Sonata with the 2.4L engine. I got to 131,000 miles before the engine destroyed itself. I maintain my Sonata with 5,000 mile oil and filter changes. It was two weeks, a dealer loaner car and a new engine. And apparently, the engine is still warranted as long as I own it. Still...I think there's an Infiniti in my future.
 
#9 ·
I wonder if Hyundai has looked at engine failures in regard to the type of oil and oil filter used.

Oil filters are pretty sophisticated devices with backflow valves, specific pressures, volume per second, and prescribed filtration. I lost an engine in a '81 Ford Mustang when the oil filter failed.

Since then I've never used anything but OEM equipment.
 
#10 ·
Had an oil change yesterday, with a Wix filter.

When I was given the receipt for the oil change, just before driving away I noticed the receipt had a notation for the initial level check upon bringing the car in. It was entered as "one quart low".
The car has only 28k miles, and I had checked it the previous day.

I asked, and the technician who inspected it said it was in fact full when I drove in.
They had entered it wrong on the receipt!

I made them give me a corrected receipt.
In the future I'll check it myself just prior to driving into the oil-change shop.
 
#11 ·
It's a good idea to check your oil immediately after a change. Technicians are fallible and they can forget even to put the new oil in (happened to me) or not tighten the filter or drain plug (happened to me).

In my thinking, it is not a big deal to check the oil weekly, on the same spot to assure an accurate reading. The Sonata is notorious for oil consumption, so I would watch it very carefully and try to catch problems early.
 
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